"Transmen's Action" at SF Dyke March
dyke march is for dykes of all genders and sexualities
Forum: Strap-on.org
Date: 06/28/2002
rileypup wrote:
I totally agree. So, now your a tranny boy. Stop whining
about not having access to women only space.
tranzdyke wrote:
i think that if people expect to be taken seriously they
have to act predictably, in the sense that i say "i am a
woman" and i'm not going to attend a promise keepers event,
except perhaps to fuck it up.
rileypup wrote:
Yeah, ditto that. I don't see how anyone is ever going to start
taking transmen/boys seriously, actually call us the right
pronouns and not keep referring to us as "just really butch
lesbians" or whatever if we keep on protesting for our right
to be included in women only spaces on the basis that "well,
we used to be dykes and we still have connections to that
community."
hey guys (and girls, and others), people's identities are often much more complex than just being a man or a woman. if you are a transman who feel that dyke march is not your place that's fine, just don't attend (and cheer at us from the sidewalk!) - but there are lots of trans people who may not necessarily identify as women who are dyke-identified, and how can a "dyke march" exclude a large number of "dykes"?
and what is this "we need to act predictably to be taken seriously" shit - how is this sentiment different from log cabin type gays who tell drag queens and queers of other kinds to act straight for the gay people to be "taken seriously"? don't trans and genderqueer people of mixed, hybrid, incongruent, and contradictory identities also deserve to be taken seriously?
i don't even see the point of dyke march having any policy regarding trans people in the first place, but if they must have one why don't they include dykes of all genders and sexualities?
Forum: Strap-on.org
Date: 06/28/2002
Well, I still say that if you accept the label "dyke," you're also accepting the label "woman."
Why are you deciding what labels "dyke" and "woman" should mean if you don't even identify with either? Why do you believe that while it is not appropriate for you to participate in a dyke- and women-only event, and yet feel perfectly appropriate to define what it means to be a dyke or a woman? This statement reminds me of Janice Raymond's suggestion to mandate transsexuals out of existence.
No one's managed to tell me what exactly makes anyone who is not a woman (or at least willing to sometimes put themselves under that label) a dyke yet.
They do not have the responsibility to prove their identities to you any more than you do to non-transsexuals. It is an unquestionable fact that there are many dykes who do not identify as "women" for one reason or another, some of which do not even have anything to do with trans- or genderqueer-ness (cf. Monique Wittig's argument that lesbians are not women).